Episodes
Episodes
Wednesday Nov 22, 2023
131 - Self-Taught Grief | Dr. Bobby Price
Wednesday Nov 22, 2023
Wednesday Nov 22, 2023
Dr. Bobby Price is a certified plant-based nutritionist, exercise physiologist, and Doctor of Pharmacy. On this episode of DEAD Talks, he shares a more personal look into his youth and how his childhood trauma, including grief and loss, shaped who he is today. And, with that, the steps and processes of how he found healing through reflecting on what he went through throughout his life.
For more on Dr. Bobby Price visit www.drbobbyprice.com
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end; it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12, he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma, or whatever it may be. You may cry, but you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Nov 15, 2023
130 - Untangle Your Grief | Emily
Wednesday Nov 15, 2023
Wednesday Nov 15, 2023
A few years ago, Emily lost her grandpa. Although surrounded by loving friends and family, grief still left her lonely and overwhelmed. She helped her mum wade through confusing and complex admin. Plus, long waiting lists made bereavement support hard to access. She knew there must be a better way. Emily launched Untangle in 2020 to help people navigate life after loss.
Follow @untanglegrief for a great grief resource.
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end; it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12, he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma, or whatever it may be. You may cry, but you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Nov 08, 2023
129 - 90 Minutes in Heaven | Don Piper
Wednesday Nov 08, 2023
Wednesday Nov 08, 2023
On January 18, 1989, Don Piper was on his way home from a conference in Texas when a semi-trailer truck struck his Ford Escort while crossing a bridge. A true story of death and life where he was pronounced dead at the scene, and for the next 90 minutes Don had a near-death experience where he tells us where he went and what he experienced.
Don Piper is featured in the movie After Death , released in theaters in 2023. It is a fascinating film covering several near-death experience stories and studies of NDE's.
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end; it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12, he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma, or whatever it may be. You may cry, but you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Nov 01, 2023
128 - Free Solo Climber | Alexis Landot
Wednesday Nov 01, 2023
Wednesday Nov 01, 2023
He climbs skyscrapers without any harnesses or safety equipment. In this episode of DEAD Talks, we chat with French climber and stuntman Alexis Landot. Alexis has climbed a number of Skyscrapers including La Défense, the Montparnasse Tower and The Mercuriales Tower in Paris. We talk about his death anxiety, facing death, and rationalizing our fears of death. And, how all of this plays a role in his normal life regarding anxiety and everyday living.
Connect with Alexis:
https://www.instagram.com/Alexis.Landot https://www.youtube.com/@UCYR0QtRrn90sNzf1TrpXsgQ
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end; it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12, he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma, or whatever it may be. You may cry, but you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Oct 25, 2023
127 - How to heal what you feel | Ashley LeMieux
Wednesday Oct 25, 2023
Wednesday Oct 25, 2023
In this episode of DEAD Talks we chat with Ashley LeMieux who lost a child, and is a Grief and Bereavement expert with a master's Degree in Science. Ashley and Dave talk about the importance of acknowledging and experiencing our emotions. We must let our guard down and truly feel our feelings without attaching them to specific problems. Ashley shares some insight from the therapy world and touches on the societal expectation to quickly move on from grief, emphasizing that grief is something to be experienced.
Learn more about Ashley: https://ashleylemieux.com/
Connect with Ashley LeMieux: https://www.instagram.com/ashleyklemieux/
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end; it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12, he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma, or whatever it may be. You may cry, but you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Oct 18, 2023
126 - Grief Happened at 16 Years Old | Whitney Hanson
Wednesday Oct 18, 2023
Wednesday Oct 18, 2023
This episode is a reminder that loss can happen at any time and is a great insight for parents dealing with a grieving child or anyone who lost someone when they were young. Author and poet Whitney Hanson, shares her story of losing her best friend at 16. Whitney lets us in with her storytelling of how, as a young girl, she processed Grief, how she healed, and the hardest parts about it all. She is the author of Home and Climate, which has connected with thousands of readers adamantly through poetry. Whitney has a new book called Harmony, releasing November 7th, 2023, where you can pre-order below!
www.whitneyhansonpoetry.com
Pre-Order Her Newest Book, Harmony, HERE
@whitneyhansonpoetry on Instagram
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end; it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12, he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma, or whatever it may be. You may cry, but you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
Thursday Oct 12, 2023
125 - Learning From Thousands Of Deaths | J.S Park
Thursday Oct 12, 2023
Thursday Oct 12, 2023
J.S Park is an ex-atheist Korean American who has counseled thousands of dying patients as a hospital chaplain, offering grief support to families. He attends every death at a 1,000+ bed level 1 trauma center and offers guidance for the patients and families. It was such a fascinating conversation learning from a man who has witnessed a lot of grief over the years, which has taught him how to grieve and help others with their grief and, ultimately, more about living life. He’s been featured on CNN and the Today Show for his work.
For more on J.S Park, please visit https://linktr.ee/jspark3000 and check him out on Instagram @jspark3000
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end; it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12, he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma, or whatever it may be. You may cry, but you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Oct 04, 2023
124 - Connecting People Through Grief | The New Normal
Wednesday Oct 04, 2023
Wednesday Oct 04, 2023
The New Normal Charity connects people through grief and is changing how we discuss our grief, mental health, and well-being in open and honest spaces. Founder Benjamin May, joins DEAD Talks to share his journey around grief and his mental health as a man coping with trauma, which led him to start a charity offering a free alternative to professional therapy. It is all about community and a free option to talk with others who may be in a similar situation as you. We unravel the psychology behind dealing with our grief, traumas, and anything else that life brings us.
Please visit www.thenewnormalcharity.com to get involved or read more on the cause.
Follow The New Normal Charity on Instagram: @tnncharity
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end; it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12, he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma, or whatever it may be. You may cry, but you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Sep 27, 2023
123 - Living a 100 Years with Uncle Jack
Wednesday Sep 27, 2023
Wednesday Sep 27, 2023
Born in 1923, Uncle Jack's remarkable 100-year journey has seen him evolve from a boy with a "backyard zoo" through his heroism as a World War II Army Veteran and into the limelight as a Mega Influencer. With over 2 Million followers and growing, Uncle Jack has captured hearts worldwide with his infectious joy, insightful wisdom, and zest for life. Joined by Uncle Jack's nephew, we learn his secrets to longevity, his experience with death, and his perspectives on dying, and we get to learn from a man who just turned 100 years old.
Ask Uncle Jack: 100 Years of Wisdom (launched September 26, 2023 everywhere books are sold)
Website (book also can be purchased from Amazon, Target, Good Reads, Barnes & Noble, etc.)
Follow Uncle Jack and learn more here: https://linktr.ee/askunclejack
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end; it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12, he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma, or whatever it may be. You may cry, but you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Sep 20, 2023
122 - Living by Paradox: Embracing Grief and Inspiration with Sah D’Simone
Wednesday Sep 20, 2023
Wednesday Sep 20, 2023
This episode of the DEAD Talks podcast delves into the societal discomfort and avoidance surrounding death and grief. Sah D'Simone talks about how our society does not know how to talk about or address these topics, which creates difficulties for individuals when they experience loss. This episode highlight the logistical challenges that accompany grieving, such as handling the deceased's affairs and the financial burden of funeral expenses. Sah D'Simone calls for a more open and normalized conversation about death, advocating for education on mortality and better preparation for end-of-life processes.
Connect with Sah D'Simone
https://shor.by/sahdsimone
https://www.tiktok.com/@sahdsimone
https://www.instagram.com/sahdsimone
https://www.facebook.com/sah.dsimone/
[00:01:10] Grieving and returning to work.
[00:04:19] Normalizing humanizing death.
[00:08:40] Trauma-informed care in hospitals.
[00:11:03] Mortality consciousness and letting go.
[00:15:20] Letting go process.
[00:19:10] Drop the stories, embrace feelings.
[00:23:22] Processing and releasing emotions.
[00:26:09] Processing the past and emotions.
[00:30:18] Somatic Activated Healing.
[00:33:44] Blue Zones.
[00:37:32] Peaceful transitions in hospitals.
[00:42:55] Confusion and disassociation.
[00:44:27] The paradox of grief.
[00:49:13] Rejecting deep feelings in society.
[00:53:25] Dismantling systems of oppression.
[00:55:39] Creating opportunity to fall apart.
Wednesday Sep 13, 2023
121 - Losing her Father and Finding Perspective| Gabby Reece
Wednesday Sep 13, 2023
Wednesday Sep 13, 2023
Gabby Reece is a former professional beach volleyball player and inspirational health and fitness leader, podcast host, corporate speaker, New York Times bestselling author, wife, and mother. She joins the podcast to share the heartbreaking and inspiring story of how she lost her father when she was 5-years old in a fafa plane crash. Gabby discusses how she didn't grow up with her father, her methods of healing, perspectives of Grief and how it's all driven her life and success. I had a blast chatting with her as she's not only incredibly helpful - she's hilarious.
Check out her own podcast, The Gabby Reece Show on your favorite podcast platform: https://gabriellereece.com/podcast/
https://gabriellereece.com
https://instagram.com/gabbyreece(@gabbyreece)
Wednesday Sep 06, 2023
120 - Inside the minds of being a Hospice Nurse | Nurse Julie & Nurse Penny
Wednesday Sep 06, 2023
Wednesday Sep 06, 2023
Hospice Nurses Julie and Penny, teach about Death, Dying, and Hospice. This episode aims to discuss death in a way that reduces the fear of death and dying. Hospice Nurse Julie and Hospice Nurse Penny educate and entertain with a heavy emphasis on "entertain". They make this conversation fun and interesting and offer insights into what it's like being a Hospice Nurse, the misconceptions, and powerful stories around those at the end of their life.
For more on Hospice Nurse Julie visit www.hospicenursejulie.com
For more on Hospice Nurse Penny visit https://linktr.ee/Hospicenursepenny
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end, it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12 he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. Grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma or whatever it may be, DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about. You may cry; but, you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Aug 30, 2023
119 - Bryan Callen on DEAD Talks | Bryan Callen
Wednesday Aug 30, 2023
Wednesday Aug 30, 2023
Bryan Callen is an American actor, comedian, and podcaster. In addition to co-hosting The Fighter & The Kid, Callen is known for being a regular guest on other popular podcasts like the Joe Rogan Experience and Fight Companion. In this episode of DEAD Talks Podcast Bryan Callen talks about how he thinks a lot about spirituality and what it takes to get through this thing called life including grief and loss. This was a hilarious episode with one of the best stand-up comics in the game. Get ready for deep insights and plenty of laughs.
For Bryan Callen tour dates and more check out: https://beacons.ai/bryancallen
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end, it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12 he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. Grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma or whatever it may be, DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about. You may cry; but, you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Aug 23, 2023
118 - Death Is A Catalyst | Blake Kasemeier
Wednesday Aug 23, 2023
Wednesday Aug 23, 2023
In 2018, Blake experienced the heartbreaking loss of his mother due to a short yet intense battle with lung cancer. This event motivated him to embark on a personal journey of reflection, creating a profound nine-part podcast series titled "Good Grief." Blake eloquently captures this series's intricate emotional landscape of dealing with loss. Remarkably, even four years after the final episode's release, the podcast continues to garner hundreds of monthly listeners, serving as a testament to its enduring impact.
Blake Kasemeier skillfully weaves narratives touching upon various themes such as parenthood, the grieving process, the complexities of growing up, and the moments when these aspects intersect. In 2022, Blake expanded his creative reach by sharing his stories on TikTok. What followed was an unexpected and remarkable journey, as he garnered a devoted following from both parents and the children of parents worldwide, solidifying his presence in the hearts and minds of a diverse online audience.
Follow Blake: https://www.tiktok.com/@blakeoftoday https://www.instagram.com/blakeoftoday/
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end; it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12, he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma, or whatever it may be. You may cry, but you also may laugh. Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok and more.
www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Aug 16, 2023
117 - The Emotional Tides of Grief | Yasmine Aker
Wednesday Aug 16, 2023
Wednesday Aug 16, 2023
Grief comes in waves, and Yasmine Aker knows how to bring a sense of composure to death. Her story starts with a spiritual near-death-like experience that shaped her concept of spirituality, heaven, hell, and whatever happens after we die. Even more bizarre was what happened after she lost her father, which came with unusual hallucinations and a unique grieving process. Yasmine Aker is an actor on Good Trouble and has been seen on the TV series FBI and many more.
For more on our guest Yasmine Aker, follow her on Instagram @iamyasi
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end, it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12 he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. Grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma or whatever it may be, DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about. You may cry; but, you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Aug 09, 2023
116 - Losing a father who wasn’t in her life | Jessica Singleton
Wednesday Aug 09, 2023
Wednesday Aug 09, 2023
Her father abandoned her at a young age and she later saw him on his deathbed. Stand-up comic Jessica Singleton shares her complicated grief journey convoluted with abandonment by her father and a unique family dynamic, from being left at a Waffle House by her father, forgiving him on his deathbed, grief, acceptance work, and working through all her trauma.
Check out Jessica Singleton across social media for her comedy dates and more: https://linktr.ee/jmscomedy
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end, it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12 he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. Grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma or whatever it may be, DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about. You may cry; but, you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Aug 02, 2023
115 - How Humor, Grief and Loss Go Together | Nick Simmons
Wednesday Aug 02, 2023
Wednesday Aug 02, 2023
Hilarious stand-up comedian, Nick Simmons, steps up to DEAD Talks to share his experience losing his mother to cancer when he was 17. The balance of comedy and real talk was masterful. His incredible mother got cancer when he was 11 and fought for years despite being told she had 6 months to live. Nick shares raw comedic honesty making this a fun and entertaining conversation with real grief expression including how this experience fueled his Comedy career. You've seen Nick Simmons on CBS and opening for Bryan Callen.
Follow Nick Simmons on Instagram @NotNickSimmons
For more links to Nick and to see his tour dates CLICK HERE
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end, it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12 he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. Grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma or whatever it may be, DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about. You may cry; but, you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Jul 26, 2023
114 - Dear Parents | Natalie Weaver
Wednesday Jul 26, 2023
Wednesday Jul 26, 2023
Natalie Weaver is the founder of Sophia's Voice, an organization that supports people with disabilities, caregivers, and the work of disability rights activists. She lost her daughter, Sophia, who passed away in May 2019. In this episode we discussed her grief journey, the grief of a mother to child loss and all that comes with it. Natalie raises awareness about the importance of healthcare for medically complex children, fights to hold social media giants accountable for protecting the disability community online, and shares a glimpse into her life to normalize facial differences and profound disabilities. Natalie started Sophia's Voice in honor of her daughter Sophia, who was born with facial differences and multiple disabilities. Natalie has continued her work to honor the memory of Sophia and the powerful impact she had on this world.
@nataliecweaver
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end, it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12 he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. Grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma or whatever it may be, DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about. You may cry; but, you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
Wednesday Jul 19, 2023
113 - Grief Just Happens | Laura Shepard
Wednesday Jul 19, 2023
Wednesday Jul 19, 2023
Laura Shepard was at the lowest point of her whole life when she got the call her father died due to a blood clot. She shares her story of Grief and Loss of losing a parent which includes all the things you don’t normally think about with Grief. We also discussed how she’s been able to heal and how loss has restarted her path as a comedian. This is a light hearted episode with incredibly hilarious stories about her grief journey and the realistic aspects of mourning.
For more on Laura Shepard check her out on Instagram @laurashepard.pdf or https://linktr.ee/laurashep
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end, it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12 he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. Grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma or whatever it may be, DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about. You may cry; but, you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
Friday Jul 07, 2023
112 - Surviving A Plane Crash, Spirituality & Grief | Marci Burton
Friday Jul 07, 2023
Friday Jul 07, 2023
Marci Burton survived a terrifying plane crash in the Mountains of Kodiak, Alaska with 4 others including her son while she was pregnant with her daughter. She explained they were the only Bush Plane to survived a plane crash in Alaskan history. Marci explains some other spiritual intervention prior to the flight regarding her mother that she lost and has had to Grieve. This was an engaging conversation of survival, grief and loss of a mother and some paranormal/spiritual experiences that she's tried to understand.
Full Episode on YouTube To Watch: https://youtu.be/oGsV28B4Yhg
DEAD Talks with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently. Each new guest shares their experience with grieving or perspective on death in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo. Grief doesn't end, it evolves. Having lost his father on September 11th when he was 12 he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories. Grief, loss, death, mourning, trauma or whatever it may be, DEAD Talks Podcast hopes to make it a little easier to talk about. You may cry; but, you also may laugh.
Follow DEAD Talks Podcast on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok + more
www.deadtalks.net
DEAD Talks Podcast
with David Ferrugio engages death a little bit differently.
Each new guest shares their experience in a way that shatters the “don’t talk about death” taboo.
Having lost his father on 9/11 when he was 12 he learned the importance of discussion and sharing other people's stories in a down to earth and honest manner.